Newt Gingrich: FDR, Not Reagan, Greatest President of the 20th Century

[My ambition] is to be an old-time political boss in 20 years.

~ Newt Gingrich 1974

By Gary P Jackson

Does this actually surprise anyone?

Big Government “progressive” [or as they call themselves today: liberal] Newt Gingrich picks the one president who was as close to a dictator this nation has ever seen, as his favorite, over the nation’s great champion of Liberty and Freedom, Renaldus Magnus.

Newt calls him the greatest liberal president and the nation’s greatest leader of the 20th Century! Newt likes FDR because he “got things done.” That he did.

I’m not going to give a history lesson here, readers can do their own search on FDR. Newt claims to be a historian, you would think he’d know all there is to know about FDR. Knowing all there is to know about FDR, and still thinking he is our greatest, wow, just wow.

Roosevelt is the reason for the 22nd Amendment, limiting the president to two terms. FDR was elected to four terms, breaking a tradition started by our first president, George Washington, of knowing when to hit the road. Until FDR, presidents never served more than two terms. FDR died during his fourth term. If he had lived, one wonders if a fifth run would have been tried.

Again, most Conservatives know all about FDR, who created Big Government on an unprecedented scale. FDR was a dangerous man.

When the Supreme Court tried to stop FDR, ruling much of his “New Deal” unconstitutional, Roosevelt came up with a plan to pack the Court with his people, increasing the actual number of Justices from nine to fifteen. Thankfully, that effort was defeated.

FDR also rounded up Japanese living in America, most of them American citizens, and threw them in concentration camps, destroying countless lives.

FDR was a heavy handed thug. History bears it all out. He set up a regime that completely ignored states’ rights, and the rights of the people, to set up a central command and control government, much of which we deal with to this day.

FDR got things done alright!

This is the guy who Newt likes the most. Is it any wonder why? One only has to put down the Koolaid and really listen to the word salad Newt throws out when explaining his convoluted Big Government “solutions,” while calling them “conservative” to get it.

Newt sees himself as, as president, as a ruler, not a governor. In our republican form of government, our elected officials aren’t supposed to rule over us, like we are children, and need to be taken care of. They are supposed to govern. To look out for OUR needs, not theirs.

Now some will remind us that Ronald Reagan admired FDR as well. He also admired Abraham Lincoln. But it was Calvin Coolidge who Reagan called his hero. He even had a portrait of Coolidge hung in the Cabinet Room in the White House. Reagan quoted Coolidge often, and modeled a lot of his presidency after his.

Reagan came from a different era than Newt. A different perspective.

For someone who CLAIMS to be a Conservative to choose one of the most radical “progressive” dictator wannabes, over the Great Ronald Reagan, tells you all you need to know Newt.

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35 responses to “Newt Gingrich: FDR, Not Reagan, Greatest President of the 20th Century

  1. patricia cala

    Having lived through the times when FDR was alive, you bring a feeling with you from your parents. Their generation were Irish/Democrats. They too, at first, believed he had a good program when he was governor of NY. There was nothing you could do to stop him. Running as Gov. of NY, he was short of votes. “He” imported southerners, and put them on welfare, so they could vote. “He” expected those imported to return home. But, home did not provide the welfare that NY had promised. And, how did he deal with Winston Churchill? Answer me that.

    • Gary P

      It’s one thing to admire FDR in context, quite another to call him the “Greatest President of the 20th Century” knowing Ronald Reagan was president in the 20th Century.

      The sort of praise Newt heaps on FDR is the sort you hear from progressives, liberals.

      Oh wait …..!

  2. A very good documentary on Newt Gingrich by the Conservative John Birch Society. It’s about 33 minutes long:

    http://vimeo.com/20772900

    • Gary P

      I’ve seen it before and it is spot on.

      Sadly, since it’s from the Birchers, many will dismiss, and that’s a real tragedy. I recommend everyone watch it!

      Thanks

  3. Joy

    My father, who DID live throught the Depression – and was a very keen observer of the human scene and condition – had FDR pegged to a fare-thee-well: Namely, he called him a “carny operator” – i.e., he was no better than, but certainly as effective as, a circus barker or carnival operator, the “Step right up!” type of charlatan who did – or tried to do – lots of “carny” tricks and “smoke & mirrors;” phoney to the core (except to hawk his socialist ideals – when he, himself, was VERY much part of the “elite” and “ruling class” of this contry).

    My father was also the epitome of an Individualist and had absolutely NO time for the Communist movement that swept America in the 30s and was very much a result of two cultural/societal phenomona: Namely, the Depression and the fruits of the Progressive Movement, already fairly entrenched in American life. My father left me with one phrase that summarized it all – and has made a profound impression on me for life: Namely, as he said, “They just gave up on America!” By which he meant that the ideals of hard work and reward were no longer valid or important to them; “cradle-to-grave” security was all that mattered. And FDR – “the Great White Father” (to millions of immigrants to this country as well) – was happy to pal around with that Soviet butcher, Stalin…

    • Gary P

      Oh yeah. Your father was spot on. FDR’s policies actually prolonged the economic recovery for the better part of a decade. Obama is on track to do the same.

      Not everyone remembers, but Ronald Reagan, during his first term, faced a situation worse than the economic meltdown we are in now. All of those around him were screaming for a solution similar to what Bush, then Obama embarked on.

      Instead of compromising his principles to “save” the economy, Ronnie had faith in the free market. His solution? Simply do nothing. Nothing whatsoever. He was right to, in short order things turned around, and America enjoyed the largest peace time economic expansion in our nation’s history.

      Newt wouldn’t be able to stop himself from meddling more in the economy, because, you know …. he’s the Smartest Man in the Room™.

  4. Glenda

    People keep saying that Obama should bail the people out instead of the banks and big business. Well, that’s what Roosevelt did. Many Americans would have starved to death and Ameriica would be a third world country today. Millions of Americans loved FDR because he helped them survive.

    • Gary P

      It’s obvious you know little of history, or how free markets work. My parents lived through the Great Depression. Never had a good thing to say about FDR.

      In fact, it was FDR’s socialistic policies that prolonged the pain for almost a decade.

      Ronald Reagan, thanks to Nixon, Ford, and most especially Carter, faced an on coming depression while he was president. Know what Reagan did, despite shrieks form his advisers and Congress? Nothing. Not a damned thing.

      Unlike socialist FDR [and communist Obama now] Reagan had faith in the free markets and the American people. It was tough for a few months, but eventually, thanks to Reagan allowing the markets to correct themselves, we had the largest peacetime economic expansion in our nation’s history.

      Thanks to Reagan’s wisdom, our economy survived the tech bubble bursting on Clinton’s watch, and 9/11, with relatively little problems. It wasn’t until the democrats took control of Congress in 2007, and started fooling with the economy that things started looking bad again.

      This was mostly due to massive corruption that democrats in Congress, and Newt Gingrich, participated in.

      FDR was one of our worst presidents, and we are still dealing with his screw ups to this day.

    • patricia cala

      “… third world country”? And, where did all those young men come from that went into WWII?

  5. Glenda

    As a matter of fact, millions of Americans would be homeless today without Social Security. So if you have a job and you are young you want to get rid of the Social Security program, and you would not care about all the homeless and helpless senoirs who made America the richest and most powerful and most charitable nation in history.

    It is government corruption, which is on both sides of the aisle, that is bringing America down, and that is exactly what caused the Great Depression.

    • Gary P

      Wow, you really are the product of government controlled education.

      Social Security is a ponzi scheme.

      When first put into place, you had something like 50 people paying in, for every one person getting Social Security. Past that, few people, in the early days, lived long enough to collect it. Life expectancies were a lot shorter. All of the local and state pensions that are collapsing nationwide, are based on the same system.

      These things work fine, so long as you have 50 times more people paying in, than taking out. Problem is, now we have 2 people paying in, for every one person taking out. At some point in the not so distance future, we’ll actually have more people taking out, than paying in.

      Oh, and all that money? It’s not like it’s in a bank account with your name on it. In fact, the money doesn’t exist at all, having been “borrowed” by the government long ago.

      In other words, for all practical purposes Social Security already no longer exists, except as a myth and a legend.

      People that freakout when people say they want to reform Social Security needn’t worry, because doing nothing is make reforms unnecessary, because in a few years there will be nothing left to reform.

      Social Security was based on a lie, and the government has continued to lie.

      Ronald Reagan saw this a half century ago.

      I suggest you, and any reader that thinks Social Security was a good idea, vs private investing, listen to these words for Reagan in 1964:

    • patricia cala

      “… the richest and most powerful …”. In other words those that came here because they heard that our “streets were paved with gold”.
      Those that came before FDR came to work hard and believed in faith and family.
      They didn’t expect to take from your pocket.

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  8. Andrew Han

    Roosevelt ran for four terms, because America was embroiled in the middle of the largest international war in our specie’s history, and having a change in leadership midway through would not be the best for the nation’s morale now, would it? Calling him a “dictator” is ridiculous; he was lawfully elected into office by the will of the people. There is nothing dictatorial about it.

    Roosevelt made numerous advances in civil rights, employing an unprecedented amount of minorities to high office. He was unable to do more, for fear of alienating conservative, southern voters (jee, that sound familiar?) It’s rather funny that every important civil rights legislator and advocate in this nation’s history, from Charles Sumner to Abraham Lincoln to LBJ, were all liberals and progressives. Huh. (And no, please do not go down the “Lincoln was a conservative because he was a Republican!” route.)

    The only valid criticism of Roosevelt here is his imprisonment of Japanese “spies” during WWII. It was a terrible mistake, but I do not recall any of your conservative (or liberal) politicians rallying against it either. Nobody is perfect.

    • Gary P Jackson

      Of COURSE FDR was a dictator. He was an evil son-of-a-bitch.

      His “New Deal” has helped destroy America. All of it, just like ObamaCare, was sold to the American people based on lies.

      When the Supreme Court struck down some of his legislation as unconstitutional, he threated to pack the court with his sycophants. This is something the president can do, as long as the Senate goes along with him. He wanted to raise the number on the court to 15. Thankfully, he was stopped.

      FDR even allowed both the Nazis and the Japanese to attack us, rather than just go ahead and declare war on them first. EVERYONE knew Pearl Harbor, or something like it was coming, and war was inevitable. And yet, for political purposes, FDR allowed it all to happen.

      Oh, and that evil, racist bastard also rounded up Japanese-Americans and put then in concentration camps for no crime other than being Japanese. This is much like Woodrow Wilson, an equally evil and racist democrat, did to Germans during WWI.

      This was not only evil, it was illegal, and the Supreme Court came down hard after the fact. Sadly, FDR had already died and wasn’t able to pay for his crimes.

      BTW, FDR is the reason we have 22nd Amendment to the Constitution. Americans understood how dangerous FDR was, and wanted to make sure no other dictator wannabe would ever get such a stranglehold on the American people.

      The only problem is the amendment didn’t put term limits on Congress as well.

      It was FDR, a socialist, who called Stalin, who murdered more people than Hitler and the Nazis, his “Uncle Joe.”

      Throughout history, whenever a democrat was in office, America got screwed. Woodrow Wilson, FDR, LBJ, and now Obama. All Big Government Marxists who destroy, rather than create. All incredibly evil men.

      • Andrew Han

        1. Once again, FDR lawfully being elected to office, by voters such as your vaunted Reagan, does not qualify as the actions of a dictator, who forcefully seizes power and silences opposition. In the middle of a war, it certainly was a good thing to not have a change in leadership.

        2. Agree or disagree with the New Deal, calling Roosevelt an “evil son of a bitch” is a ridiculous exaggeration; the guy died as a large part to the stresses of his office, it’s not as though he were trying to maintain the position of king, and it’s not as though staying a president for four terms was a luxurious position that one would keep for his own satisfaction.. There is no doubt that he acted in the best interests of the American people [from his own perspective]. From your perspective, he is misguided; from nobody’s perspective is he evil.

        3. Calling Roosevelt a socialist is a Reductio ad absurdum fallacy. Just because Roosevelt adopted *some* watered down socialist reforms doesn’t make him a socialist; otherwise, conservatives, who want the creation story to be taught in Science classes, advocate for a theocracy. See what happens when you take the opposing argument to the logical extreme?

        4. Liberal republicans [no, really; former abolitionists temporarily broke off during Grant's administration and created the Liberal Republican party; among the first anti-slavery parties was named the Liberal Party] ended slavery. Liberals passed child labor protection laws; liberals ended segregation and passed the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights act. Liberals and feminists passed the 19th amendment. In fact, the political term “left” and “right” stems from the French National Assembly before the French Revolution; on the left sat revolutionaries advocating for the creation of a Republic, and on the right sat monarchists arguing a maintenance of tradition, the status quo and “order” (sound familiar?). The first ‘modern’ right-wing politicians were monarchists!

        What have conservatives done? They’ve opposed every one of these reforms venomously. Pro-slavery proponents used state’s rights, traditional values, and strict interpretations of the Constitution as arguments. Segregationists used the same thing, as did opponents of the Child Labor act. Opponents of woman’s suffrage pointed to traditional family values; do you see a disturbingly consistent trend throughout American, and world history, that one side of politics happens to oppose every advancement of human civilization?

        If you want more evidence, read the Southern Manifesto, written by conservatives from both parties (just look at the states the senators come from; Mississippi, Texas…). You might puke.

      • Gary P Jackson

        You are a blithering idiot. You realize that without CONSERVATIVE Republicans LBJ’s Civil Rights bill would have never passed. Southern liberal DEMOCRATS, including Al Gore’s daddy, were VIOLENTLY opposed to desegregation.

        As for FDR, remember, Hitler was democratically elected as well. America doesn’t hold the exclusive on stupidity. FDR was a Marxist, who did great damage to this nation. It’s a proven fact that all of his social engineering, all of the bullshit “New Deal” caused a bad recession to turn into the Great Depression. What could have been over in a year of so, lasted a goddamned decade!

        Though Reagan voted for FDR, and admired his handling of the war, Calvin Coolidge was his favorite president, by far. In fact, Coolidge faced what was a worse downturn than FDR inherited. Coolidge turned things around quickly and the nation prospered. FDR, just like Obama now, made things much worse.

        In fact, Reagan’s economic policy, which saw the greatest period of economic expansion in our nation’s history, was based on what Coolidge did.

        There has never been a democrat who didn’t screw up the economy. Marists don’t have a clue.

        The only thing that saved us under Clinton was he was too busy chasing tail to be bothered with screwing things up. That, and there was a REPUBLICAN Congress.

        Look, the DEMOCRAT party is the party of Jim Crow and the KKK. The KKK was started as a domestic terrorism arm of the democrat party. Their original mission was to go after Republicans. Of course, since blacks were freed by Republicans, they voted Republican.

        It was Woodrow Wilson, an even MORE evil son-of-a-bitch, who forced segregation in the Army, and made sure blacks got fired from government jobs. Before Wilson, the Army had been desegregated.

        Wilson’s favorite movie was “Birth of a Nation” a pro-KKK propaganda piece.

        Liberals are nasty, evil, hate-filled life forms. Almost everything bad that has ever happened in the world can be traced back to a liberal.

        BTW, Dr Martin Luther King, Jr, was a CONSERVATIVE Republican.

        I suggest you read THIS:

        President Obama, Can You Spare A Proclamation

        Petition to Barack Hussein Obama for a Proclamation of Apology for the Democratic Party’s 150-year History of Racism

        http://www.nationalblackrepublicans.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pages.DYK-OBAMA-CanYouSpareAPROCLAMATION

        We, black American citizens of the United States and the National Black Republican Association, declare and assert:

        WHEREAS, the healing of wounds begins with an apology, and the Democratic Party has never apologized for their horrific atrocities and racist practices against black Americans during the past 150 years, nor held accountable for the residual impact that those atrocities and practices are having on us today,

        WHEREAS, as a result of the 1898 Wilmington Race Riot Commission Report of May 31, 2006, the North Carolina Democratic Party issued a unanimous apology on January 20, 2007 for the Democratic Party’s 1898 murderous rampage against blacks,

        WHEREAS, inner-city minister Rev. Wayne Perryman wrote a book, “Unfounded Loyalty: An In-depth Look Into The Love Affair Between Blacks and Democrats”, and filed a lawsuit against the Democratic Party on December 10, 2004, but, after admitting their history of racism under oath in court, the Democrats refused to apologize,

        WHEREAS, history shows that the Democratic Party through its racist agenda and “States’ Rights” claim to own slaves, sought to protect and preserve the institution of slavery from 1792 to 1865, thus enslaving millions of African Americans, while the Republican Party was started in 1854 as the anti-slavery party, fought to free blacks from slavery and championed civil rights for blacks,

        WHEREAS, the Democratic Party enacted fugitive slave laws to keep blacks from escaping from plantations; instigated the 1856 Dred Scott decision which legally classified blacks as property; passed the Missouri Compromise to spread slavery into 50% of the new Northern states; and passed the Kansas-Nebraska Act designed to spread slavery into all of the new states,

        WHEREAS, the Democratic Party in the South formed the Confederacy, seceded from the Union and fought a Civil War (1861 to 1865) to expand slavery where over 600,000 citizens were killed, including many thousand blacks,

        WHEREAS, starting in 1861, anti-Civil War Democrats in the North were called “copperheads” like the poisonous snake because they (a) wanted to appease the South and accept a negotiated peace that would have resulted in an independent Confederacy where blacks were kept in slavery, and (b) showed their deep opposition to the Civil War draft by taking their anger out on blacks, murdering and maiming blacks in virtually every Northern state,

        WHEREAS, anti-Civil War Democrats in New York engaged in “Four Days of Terror” against the city’s black population from July 13-16, 1863, and the anti-Civil War chant of the Democrats, as reported by one Pennsylvania newspaper, was: “Willing to fight for Uncle Sam”, but not “for Uncle Sambo,”

        WHEREAS, the anti-Civil War Democrats verbally attacked Republican President Abraham Lincoln because he wanted to free the slaves through war and grant blacks civil rights, and drafted Northern men into the army to fight and die to make his Emancipation Proclamation a reality – a Proclamation that became the source of the Juneteenth celebrations that occur in black communities today,

        WHEREAS, after the Civil War, the Republican Party (a) pushed to amend the Constitution to grant blacks freedom (13th Amendment), citizenship (14th Amendment) and the right to vote (15th Amendment); (b) passed the Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875; and (c) designed Reconstruction, a ten-year period of unprecedented political power for African Americans,

        WHEREAS, anti-civil rights Democrat Andrew Johnson became president when Republican President Abraham Lincoln was assassinated, and after the Civil War, the Democratic Party fought to end Reconstruction and deny blacks the promised “40 acres and a mule;” fought to overturn all civil rights legislation from the 1860’s to the 1960’s; and passed repressive legislation including the Black Codes and Jim Crow laws,

        WHEREAS, the book “A Short History of Reconstruction” by the renowned historian, Dr. Eric Foner, revealed that: (a) the Ku Klux Klan was founded in 1866 by Democrats as a Tennessee social club; (b) the Ku Klux Klan became a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party, the planter class, and all those who desired the restoration of white supremacy; and (c) the Ku Klux Klan spread into other Southern states, launching a ‘reign of terror’ against Republican leaders, black and white,

        WHEREAS, the book “A Short History of Reconstruction” by Dr. Eric Foner exposed the facts that: (a) the Hayes-Tilden Compromise of 1877 was an attempt by Republicans to get the Democrats to stop lynching Republicans, black and white, and respect the rights of blacks; and (b) contrary to legend, President Rutherford Hayes did not remove the last federal troops from the South, but merely ordered federal troops surrounding the South Carolina and Louisiana statehouses to return to their barracks,

        WHEREAS, after taking control of Congress in the late 1800’s, the Democratic Party passed the Repeal Act of 1894 that overturned civil rights legislation passed by the Republicans, including the Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1875,

        WHEREAS, the Democratic Party supported the “Plessy v. Ferguson” decision in 1896 that established the “separate but equal” segregation doctrine,

        WHEREAS, historical documents show that: (a) in an effort to stop the Democrats from lynching and denying civil rights to blacks, the NAACP was founded on Republican President Abraham Lincoln’s 100th birthday, February 12, 1909, by white Republicans Oswald Garrison Villard, Mary White Ovington and William English Walling; and (b) the first black general secretary of the NAACP was black Republican James Weldon Johnson who became the general secretary of the NAACP in 1920 and, in 1900, wrote the song, “Lift Every Voice,” known as the “Black National Anthem” in collaboration with his brother, John Rosamond Johnson,

        WHEREAS, after Democrat President Woodrow was elected in 1912 and while Congress was controlled by the Democrats, black American civil employees where pushed out of federal government jobs, and the greatest number of bills proposing racial segregation and discrimination were introduced than had ever been proposed in our nation’s history,

        WHEREAS, even though Democrat President Franklin D. Roosevelt received the vote of many black Americans due to his “New Deal,” he banned black American newspapers from the military because he was convinced the newspapers were communists and rejected anti-lynching laws pushed by Republicans, as well as efforts by Republicans to establish a permanent Civil Rights Commission that did not get established until 1958 under Republican President Dwight Eisenhower,

        WHEREAS, Democrat President Harry Truman not only rejected Republican efforts to enact anti-lynching laws and establish a permanent Civil Rights Commission, but also failed to enforce his 1948 Executive Order designed to desegregate the military, an order that was not effectively enforced until Republican President Dwight Eisenhower was elected,

        WHEREAS, with the party slogan: “Segregation Forever!,” the Dixiecrats, who were Democrats, (a) formed the States’ Rights Democratic Party for the presidential election of 1948; (b) remained Democrats for all local elections and all subsequent national elections; and (c) did not all migrate to the Republican Party as Democrats today falsely claim, but instead those racist Democrats died Democrats and had declared that they would rather vote for a “yellow dog” than a Republican because the Republican Party was known as the party for blacks,

        WHEREAS, during the civil rights era of the 1960’s, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., who was a Republican, was fighting the Democrats including: (a) Democrat Georgia Governor Lester Maddox who famously brandished ax handles to prevent blacks from patronizing his restaurant; (b) Democrat Public Safety Commissioner Eugene “Bull” Connor in Birmingham who let loose vicious dogs and turned fire hoses on black civil rights demonstrators; and (c) Democrat Alabama Governor George Wallace who stood in front of the Alabama schoolhouse in 1963 and thundered: “Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever,”

        WHEREAS, the Democratic Party supported the Topeka, Kansas school board in the “Brown v. the Board of Education of Topeka”, Kansas (a 1954 Supreme Court decision by Chief Justice Earl Warren who was appointed by Republican President Dwight Eisenhower) which declared that the “separate but equal” doctrine violated the 14th Amendment and ended school segregation,

        WHEREAS, in 1954, Democrat Arkansas Governor Orville Faubus tried to prevent the desegregation of a Little Rock public school, resulting in Republican President Dwight Eisenhower sending federal troops to prevent violence and enforce a court order desegregating the Little Rock school,

        WHEREAS, Democratic President John F. Kennedy was not a civil rights advocate because he: (a) voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Law (that was pushed by Republican President Dwight Eisenhower); (b) opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (that was organized by black Republican A. Phillip Randolph); (c) authorized the FBI (supervised by his brother, Attorney General Robert Kennedy) to wiretap and investigate Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. on suspicion of being a communist in order to undermine that Civil Rights leader; (d) was later criticized by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. for ignoring civil rights issues; and (e) only grudgingly agreed to make a telephone call to get Dr. King, Jr. out of the Birmingham jail after members of the King family requested Kennedy’s help,

        WHEREAS, after the nearly 100 years of opposition to civil rights laws by Democrats, Republican Senator Barry Goldwater, who voted for the 1957 Civil Rights Act and ran for president against Lyndon Johnson in 1964, was unfairly criticized by hypocritical Democrats because Goldwater was opposed to only portions of the 1964 Civil Rights Act that he believed was an unconstitutional expansion of federal powers,

        WHEREAS, Democrat President Lyndon Johnson could not have achieved passage of civil rights legislation without the support of Republicans due to the strong opposition of Democrats, and in his 4,500-word State of the Union Address delivered on January 4, 1965, Johnson mentioned scores of topics for federal action, but only thirty five words were devoted to civil rights and not one word about voting rights,

        WHEREAS, it was Republican Senator Everett Dirksen from Illinois, not Democrat President Lyndon Johnson, who was key to the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and Dirksen was also instrumental to the enactment of civil rights legislation in 1957 and 1960, as well as the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing,

        WHEREAS, the chief opponents of the 1964 Civil Rights Act were Democrat Senators Sam Ervin, Albert Gore, Sr. and Robert Byrd of West Virginia, a former “Keagle” in the Ku Klux Klan, who made a 14-hour filibuster speech in the Senate in June 1964 in an unsuccessful effort to block passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act,

        WHEREAS, because Republican Senator Everett successfully fought to pass civil rights laws in the face of strong opposition to civil rights laws by the Democrats, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. hailed Senator Dirksen’s “able and courageous leadership;” and “The Chicago Defender,” the largest black-owned daily at that time, praised Senator Dirksen “for the grand manner of his generalship behind the passage of the best civil rights measures that have ever been enacted into law since Reconstruction,”

        WHEREAS, the statement by Democrat President Lyndon Johnson about losing the South after passage of the 1964 civil rights law was not made out of a concern that racist Democrats would suddenly join the Republican Party that was fighting for the civil rights of blacks, but instead, was an expression of fear that the racist Democrats would again form a third party, such as the short-lived States’ Rights Democratic Party,

        WHEREAS, after Democrat President Lyndon Johnson expressed his concern that the racist Democrats in the South would be lost after the passage of the 1964 civil rights laws, Johnson’s concern came true when Alabama’s Democrat Governor George C. Wallace in 1968 started the American Independent Party that attracted other racist candidates, including Democrat Atlanta Mayor Lester Maddox,

        WHEREAS, in March of 1968, while referring to the fact that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. left Memphis, Tennessee after riots broke out where a teenager was killed, Democrat Senator Robert Byrd called Dr. King a “trouble-maker” who starts trouble, but runs like a coward after trouble is ignited, which motivated Dr. King to return to Memphis a few weeks later where he was assassinated on April 4, 1968,

        WHEREAS, Democrats expressed little, if any, concern when the racially segregated South voted solidly for Democrats; yet unfairly deride Republicans because of the thirty-year odyssey of the South switching to the Republican Party that began in the 1970’s with President Richard Nixon’s “Southern Strategy,” which was an effort on the part of Nixon to get fair-minded people in the South to stop voting for Democrats who did not share their values, and who were discriminating against blacks,

        WHEREAS, Republican President Richard Nixon began enforcement of Affirmative Action as a merit-based system to help African Americans prosper with his 1969 Philadelphia Plan (crafted by black Republican Art Fletcher) that set the nation’s first goals and timetables, as well as his 1972 Equal Employment Opportunity Act that made merit-based Affirmative Action programs the law of our nation, but Democrats turned Affirmative Action into an unfair quota system;

        WHEREAS, Democrat Senator Robert Byrd who was a fierce opponent of desegregating the military complained in one letter: “I would rather die a thousand times and see old glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again than see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen of the wilds,”

        WHEREAS, in the early 1970’s, Democrat Senator Robert Byrd pushed to have the Senate’s main office building named after a former “Dixiecrat,” Democrat Senator Richard Russell who was Senator Byrd’s mentor and leading opponent of ant-lynching legislation, and in 2001 Senator Byrd was forced to apologize for using the “N-word” on television,

        WHEREAS, Democrats did not denounce Democrat Senator Christopher Dodd who praised Senator Robert Byrd as someone who would have been “a great senator for any moment,” including the Civil War; yet Democrats denounced Senator Trent Lott for his remarks about Senator Strom Thurmond who was never in the Ku Klux Klan and, after he became a Republican, defended blacks against lynching and the discriminatory poll taxes imposed on blacks by Democrats,

        WHEREAS, Democrats today demean and discriminate against blacks including (a) Democrat Senator Ted Kennedy who called black judicial nominees “Neanderthals;” (b) Democrat Senator Harry Reid who slurred Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas as someone who could not write good English; (c) Joe Biden while he was a Senator who boasted that his home state of Delaware was a slave state; (d) Democratic Party operatives who depicted Maryland Lieutenant Governor Michael Steele on the Internet as a “Simple Sambo;” (e) cartoonist Jeff Danziger and Pat Oliphant who portrayed Secretary of State Dr. Condoleezza Rice as a “stooge” and a bare foot, “Ignorant Mammy;” (f) Democratic Senator John F. Kerry who denounced affirmative action on the floor of the Senate in the 1990’s; (g) President Bill Clinton who – following in the footsteps of his mentor J. William Fulbright, a staunch segregationist – refused to enforce a court-ordered affirmative action plan while president and was himself sued for discriminating against his black employees while he was the Governor of Arkansas; and (h) Barack Hussein Obama while he was an Illinois State senator who provided funding for slum projects in Chicago that kept blacks trapped in rat and roach infested housing, as well as while he was a US senator voted against the minimum wage bill and wrote a letter of support for former Klansman Robert Byrd that helped that racist win re-election,

        WHEREAS, the Democratic Party’s use of deception and fear to intimidate black Americans into voting for Democrats is consistent with the Democratic Party’s heritage of racism that included sanctioning of slavery and kukluxery – a perversion of moral sentiment among leaders of the Democratic Party; and the Democratic Party’s racist legacy bode ill until this generation of black Americans,

        NOW, THEREFORE, for the documented atrocities and accumulated wrongs inflicted upon black Americans, we submit this petition to the head of the Democratic Party, Barack Hussein Obama, for a formal proclamation of apology for the Democratic Party’s 150-year history of racism.

        Everything about you and your posts are not only mindblowingly stupid but a waste of everyone’s time.

        I suggest you go educate yourself then get back to us.

  9. Andrew Han

    1. Clearly, it never occured to you to think that I am talking along ideological lines, not party lines. Yes, the KKK was a democratic tool; but only a complete ignoramous would assume that modern democrats are the successors to the ones who identified themselves with the Klan.

    Do you realize that 19th century and early 20th century democrats self-identified as conservatives, supported STATES’ RIGHTS, TRADITIONAL VALUES (no, really; read the Klan’s official statements), STRICT interpretation of the constitution, and every policy that conservatives traditionally support? It isn’t a secret of history that the two parties switched places long ago. In fact, here is a goody wikipedia article on just this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_switching_in_the_United_States

    Have you ever wondered why the south used to be solidly Democratic, yet turned Republican? When Democrats began supporting integration, there was a massive walkout among Dixiecrats in the Democratic National Convention, and many fled to the Republican party.

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    So, in conclusion, I am not playing Democrats vs Republicans here. I am playing Liberals vs Conservatives. By your logic of identifying arbituary party names with ideology, Teddy Roosevelt, the first progressive president, was a conservative. I should not have to tell you have ridiculous this is.

    You should judge whether or not politicians are conservative or liberal based on platform and ideology, not party. Today, democrats are generally liberal; but the pro-states’ rights, pro-strict-constituionalist, pro-traditional values, and, coincidentally, racist scumbag Andrew Johnson certainly would have laughed in your face if you insisted to him that he was a liberal, just because he’s a democrats.

    2. LBJ introduced the largest collection of civil rights legislation in the nation’s history. That alone benefited the whole of the nation in the long run, something that certainly outweighs his debatable financial mangement or even Vietnam. Reagan’s policy did feature one of the largest expansions economically in the SHORT term (but Bill Clinton still beats him out), but its resulting overspending and deregulation led to a recession in the early 90s, and his TRIPLING of the national debt was never paid off [so much for the model fiscal 'conservative'], and is something that we still deal with today. Given that Reagan raised taxes, granted amnesty to illegal aliens and negotiated with terrorists, I fail to see why conservatives idolize him.

    3. To expand on point one: Jim Crow laws were passed by southern, traditionally conservative (Texas, Mississipi, S. Carolina) states, and were allowed to stand because its proponents waved “states’ rights!” and ignored federal authority.

    Read the Southern Manifesto.

    Look at the list of states from which the senators hailed from:

    Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia.

    ALL solid red states.

    Look at these excerpts and NOTICE THEIR ARGUMENTS, and how conservative in nature they are.

    “The original Constitution does not mention education. Neither does the 14th Amendment nor any other amendment. The debates preceding the submission of the 14th Amendment clearly show that there was no intent that it should affect the system of education maintained by the States.”
    “This unwarranted exercise of power by the Court, contrary to the Constitution, is creating chaos and confusion in the States principally affected. It is destroying the amicable relations between the white and Negro races that have been created through 90 years of patient effort by the good people of both races. It has planted hatred and suspicion where there has been heretofore friendship and understanding.”

    • Gary P Jackson

      The democrats had a RANKING MEMBER of the KKK serving in the United States Senate as a “distinguished” member until he died in 2010. Robert C Byrd was a Kleagal after WWII. In other words a paid recruiter. He would eventually become a Grand Exulted Cyclops. He was celebrated in death as a “good man.”

      You should also read up on Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black, a democrat and KKK member in good standing. He’s the buffoon that created the so-called “separation of church and state” ruling that forever destroyed the public discourse in this country. That was all over funding Catholic schools. KKK’ers hate Catholics as much as they do Republicans and blacks.

      Then there is Margaret Sanger, the high priestess of human slaughter, and founder of Planned Parenthood. Democrats give each other awards in this evil bitch’s name.

      Sanger also frequented KKK meetings. She was a eugenicist, in fact, it was her and other early liberal democrats [or progressives, as they called themselves] who brought about the idea of human engineering, and race purification. Adolf Hitler, and many of his henchmen were greatly influenced by Sanger, and used her work as an excuse to murder 6 million Jews.

      Sanger was an evil bitch who used the Klanners to help legitimize abortion. She called Negroes “human weeds.” Wanted to wipe the race off the planet.

      Again, the “Margaret Sanger Award” is one of the most cherished awards a democrat can possess.

      The links between the democrat party are racism are long and strong. Hate, murder, discrimination, it’s what democrats do. To this day they hate blacks, Mexicans, gays, and everyone else. Just like the Klan of old, they are experts at hiding it, and using the very people they hate to do their bidding. There is just an incredible evil inherent in liberal democrats. An unredeemable evil.

      You can come up with what ever bullshit you want, but the fact is, democrats have always been and will always be racists and hate mongers.

      • Andrew Han

        You know, it would sincerely help if you were to actually READ my reply and address my specific arguments, rather than rehashing the same red herrings and strawmans over, and over, and over again. Because your response completely ignored the premise of my argument. I AM NOT DEFENDING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, I AM DEFENDING THE LIBERAL IDEOLOGY! DEMOCRATS WERE NOT ALWAYS THE BIG GOVERNMENT LIBERAL PARTY OF TODAY! That change only occurred very, very recently.

        I will repeat. It is not a secret of history that the Democratic party of the 19th century was widely considered to be, and self-identified, as the conservative party of states’ rights, pro-slavery, traditional values and strict interpretation of the constitution. Its main base was in the south and some of the west, with historically conservative states such as Texas and South Carolina. The demographics of democratic supporters were the same as those of republican supporters today, and they used the same grand arguments; states’ rights, limited federal power, strict interpretation of the constitution, and adherence to traditional family values.

        Throughout much of the 20th century, the Democrats were split between some northern liberals, and southern conservatives. In fact, a number of Dixiecrats walked out of the Democratic National Convention and joined the republicans in response to serious discussion over supporting racial integration. Gradually, the Republicans shifted Conservative, and the Democrats shifted Liberal.

        By your logic, Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican, was a conservative. Hopefully, I don’t have to explain to you how ridiculous this is. Party =/= ideology.

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        For further evidence, look at the Liberal Republican Party:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Republican_Party_%28United_States%29

        Former abolitionists such as Charles Sumner, called “radical republicans”, who supported radical ideas such as Civil Rights for black people, broke off from the Republican party and formed what they called the LIBERAL republican party. Naturally, they were hated by Conservatives with a passion.

        Now we look back, and even the vast majority of conservatives agree that everything the Liberal Republicans proposed; civil rights, public education, universal suffrage, woman’s rights, etc, was on the right side of history.

        And these were all liberal policies.

        Now; compare to renowned conservative runner George Wallace, famous for saying “segregation now, segregation forever”. Yeah, conservatives have a WONDERFUL historical track record.

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        Hopefully, now you’ve understood my position. I am not defending the history of the Democratic party. Not only do I not deny that they have a racist history, but I do not care. Ideology is what matters; I am defending the history of the liberal PoV, and attacking that of conservatives.

        Liberals, whether Democrats, Republicans, Federalists or Whigs, always take the right side in history. They have argued for advances in human society that we all take for granted today.

        And they have always faced violent opposition from conservatives, be they republican or democrat. Conservatives supported slavery, segregation, child labor, and almost every advancement in the history of human civilization. Now I would invite you to explain why a method of political thinking that has ALWAYS FAILED is something that you should go by.

      • Gary P Jackson

        You are starting to bore me with your ignorance.

        Please tell me where ANY form of liberalism [socialism, communism] has succeeded. Just give me ONE example.

        On the other hand, Conservatism works every time it’s tried. EVERY TIME.

        You’re attempts to call racist democrats “conservative” is dishonest and ridiculous. Throughout history, it’s been Conservative Republicans who stood up for the rights of all men. It’s Conservatives who have stood for Liberty and Freedom. The democrat party is the party that attempts to enslave all of mankind though Big Government and total command and control regulations.

        Yes, the souther states used “states rights” as their argument for slavery to continue”. So What? Your precious Dear Leader Obama, and his henchmen use the “commerce clause” to justify the illegal and unconstitutional ObamaCare legislation. Anyone can use anything to try and justify evil. Don’t make it so.

        I suggest you actual read the Constitution. The Heritage Foundation as well as Hillsdale College have great online resources that will help you understand what you are reading.

        The Constitution was created to limit GOVERNMENT [the federal government] not the people. We get all of our rights from God. Our founders knew this, and wrote the Constitution to make sure GOVERNMENT was not able to infringe on our God-given rights. In this document, it is recognized that anything not directly charged to the federal government is the responsibility of the states, and the people, respectively.

        Starting with FDR, the federal government has usurped the states and the people, grabbing more and more power, and stealing more and more Liberty and Freedom. Liberals in BOTH PARTIES are responsible. It’s why we must throw them all out.

        We should never EVER elect a democrat to any office, not as long as the party is filled with Marxists and radicals. But that doesn’t let the GOP off the hook either. There are some corrupt bastards in the GOP as well.

        Until we start electing Conservatives in all branches of government, America will continue on her downward spiral.

  10. patricia cala

    I got updated on the history of the KKK and Margaret Sanger. History is very important. Now, please tell us about the Masons and the association with the Presidents of the United Stated. With the exception of Kennedy, were they all 33 degree Mason? And that is a secret society and anti Catholic. I cannot say that they were anti black, because the men of color that were elevator operators at NYU were Masons. However, they had their own separate group.
    Where does that organzation, Masons, stand during this election. We have not heard from them in a long time. Many years ago one of the sons of a Mason said to me, we don’t excllude Catholics anymore. REALLY?

    • Gary P Jackson

      I’m not a Mason, nor do I much care about them. I used to work for a man who was a Mason. One of the finest men I ever knew. They are a private group though and free to do what they want. To even attempt to compare them to the Klan is disturbing. The Klan murdered people, as policy. I’ve never heard of the Masons lynching people or calling Negroes “human weeds”

  11. Andrew Han

    Jackson, that the democrats and republicans were once reversed on their ideologies is not a fringe theory, nor is it my own disputed historical point of view; it is widely accepted by historians as fact. Segregationists proudly called themselves conservatives, and were statistically the most numerous in conservative strongholds such as Texas and South Carolina.

    1. That the democrats were once conservative is a fact with vast historical consensus. Did you honestly think that the Confederacy was full of liberals now? Why is it that all Confederate sympathizers today are Republican? To quote Bill O’Reilly: you can’t explain that!

    2. This is further evident through the shift in voter demographics; there is an almost exact mirror between 19th century democratic voter bases and modern republican voter bases, while modern democratic voter bases strongly resemble 19th century republican voter bases.

    3. This is further evident through the policy platforms supported historically. 19th century democrats’ platforms strongly resemble modern republican platforms of states’ rights, tradition and conservatism.

    4. This is further evident through the existence of the Liberal Republican party, made up of the most prominent anti-slavery advocates, woman’s suffrage sympathizers and racial equality radicals.

    5. This is further evident through the success of segregationist George Wallace among conservative voters.

    6. This is further evident through the Southern Manifesto; all signers are self-identified conservatives, and all are from conservative states (Texas, Mississipi, S. Carolina…)

    This is all common knowledge, you know. It even pops up as a search suggestion in google (when did democrats and republicans switch)!

    https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=when+did+democrats+and+republicans+switch+ideologies&oq=when+did+democrats+&aq=3&aqi=p-p1g3&aql=&gs_l=hp.3.3.35i39j0l3.0.0.5.22.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0…0.0.ghycwx2AyiU&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=ab407b5897f76374&biw=1440&bih=682

    Read this wikipedia page:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats

    On hand, I possess the Enduring Vision history textbook (written by half a dozen Harvard PHD graduates), and the AIMSCO history textbook, which clearly define conservatives as being opponents to abolition and civil rights reform, but surely you’ll dismiss these are being written by liberal propagandists.

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    Your argument in the contrary rests on the premise that the Constitution is a conservative document. When the Constitution was first drafted, anti-federalists argued that it gave the federal government too much power in the expense of the states! Does this sound familiar to you?

    As I explained earlier, the origin of the term “left” and “right” was used to differentiate supporters of a democratic republic (the left) and monarchists (the right). The first “right-wingers” were monarchists; the first to theorize our modern philosophy of human rights were radical thinkers such as John Locke. You know, the liberal intellectuals that conservatives hate with a passion?

    The United States was BY DEFINITION a liberal conception, because it involved making a drastic change to government that had never been tried before. Liberals favor change, so how could you possibly argue this to be conservative? It goes against the very definition!

    • Gary P Jackson

      There is no real left or right, just up or down.

      “Liberal” doesn’t mean what you think it means ether. Liberals USED to call themselves “progressives” until they fucked that word up and everyone equated it with Nazi loving racists and radical loons. So “progressives” started calling themselves “liberals.” Now they’ve destroyed that word as well. Now they claim they are “moderates’ So much bullshit, so little time.

      As for ideologies somehow shifting, more mythology from a bunch of liars. Most will tell you, just as Reagan did in 1964, that they didn’t leave the democrat party, the party left them. By the late 1950s, communists, socialists, and other radicals had started taking over the democrat party.

      It wasn’t until Reagan became president though, that so many democrats gave up on that failed party and became Republicans. Ronnie won 1980 in a landslide, but won 49 states in 1984. In fact, if he had gotten just 0.18% more of the vote in Minnesota, Fritz Mondale’s home state, he would have won all 50 states!

      Now I’ll grant you this, one of the first prominent “progressives” was a Republican, Teddy Roosevelt. He was an evil son-of-a-bitch. But he was nothing compared to Woodrow Wilson. You can trace America’s downhill slide right back to Wilson. From government sanction racism, to a failed financial policy. Evil, evil man.

      BTW, before liberals fucked the word up, “liberal” was just another word for Conservative,with a dash of libertarianism thrown in for good measure. Both Ronald Reagan and his modern day soul mate Sarah Palin meet that description by the way. Both have a real stubborn libertarian streak. Of course, just as liberals have ruined the words liberal and progressive, libertarians, who are mostly leftists who want to smoke dope, have ruined that word as well.

      Sorry, but you need to find a new line of bullshit to pedal. You are boring us all to death with your simpleminded nonsense.

  12. Andrew Han

    “Most will tell you, just as Reagan did in 1964, that they didn’t leave the democrat party, the party left them.”

    Preicsely my point. The parties shifted; whether the party “left them” or they left the party is pointless semantical nitpicking.

    “By the late 1950s, communists, socialists, and other radicals had started taking over the democrat party. ”

    Peeling back the ridiculous use of buzzwords and ad reductos, yeah. Guess what? This once again actually substantiates my point; the Democratic party began to turn solidily liberal at the same time that it started supporting civil rights legislation.

    Similarly, the Republicans turned distinctly conservative at the same time that the Democratic party began seriously considering a pro-integration platform in its national conventions.

    So going by your own logic, if the Democratic party turned liberal in the early to mid 20th century, they consisted of conservatives prior; implied in the word “turned”.

    And if the Democratic party was once conservative, the Republican party was by extension liberal. Ergo, your own statements prove my point; the 19th century Democrats were conservative, and the Republicans were liberal. In the early 20th century, both parties were split; Northern Democrats vs conservative Dixiecrats, and progressive Republicans (T. Roosevelt) vs the “Old Guard” (Coolidge, Harding).

    Thereby, the extension of my point; that whatever party happened to be conservative at the time always stood for slavery, against racial equality and against integration, is substantiated.

    Conservative democrats, for example, fiercely supported racial segregation; after the signing of the Civil Rights act (which your beloved Reagan opposed), they switched parties. This is on record, and the logic and analysis of party switching makes it clear that racists moved to the Republican party.

    These “communists” and “socialists” were the first to ever use the federal government to actually enforce the founding ideals of our nation; life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The other side simply whined and complained about “family values.”

    Similarly, the Republicans in the 19th century (by extension of your own premises, the liberal party) ended slavery and fought for racial equality (or at least its most liberal and “radical” faction did). Had the conservative democratic party not fought against this, we could very well have achieved universal civil rights a century before it actually happened.

    • Gary P Jackson

      Seriously, you have no idea what you are talking about. Yeah, the communists, socialists, and other assorted 60s radicals took over the democrat party. But that doesn’t mean the GOP became any more Conservative.

      There’s a fair amount of Big Government “progressives” in the Republican Party.

      It’s obvious that you only know ore-programed talking points, not actual facts.

      If you knew anything, you’d know Conservatives are at WAR with the Republican Party. There’s a reason that millions, just like me, have torn up the RNC membership cards and stopped donating to the party, electing to support individual candidates directly.

      While the base of the party is Conservative, the GOP leadership is decidedly not.

      Mitt Romney is no Conservative. He can’t even phony it up. He’s better than Obama, but that’s not saying much. Romney will beat Obama, simply because the country is sick of him, and wants to see America return to prosperity, but frankly, Willard is too timid.

      As Reagan said, bold colors, not pale pastels. Willard is pretty pale.

      We haven’t had a Conservative leader in the White House since Reagan. This is why millions were begging Sarah Palin to run. Just as 10s of thousands lobbied McCain to pick her in 2008.

      Sarah saw the writing on the wall, and how the crooked GOP leadership would play the game. She knows how to play long ball. When she uncovered massive corruption while serving as Chairman of the AOGCC, she took her time, worked behind the scenes, and when she was done, she took down the entire Republican Party leadership in Alaska, including the state party chairman, the state’s Attorney General, and eventually, the sitting Republican Governor.

      She just helped take down a 36 year Senator “Obama’s favorite Republican” and is looking to help take down every Big Government congresscritter up for re-election. She had a great 2010, electing over 100 Conservatives to local, state, and federal positions. Thanks to her efforts, and the Tea party, America saw the largest political turnover since Reconstruction after the Civil War. 665 democrats in statehouses nationwide lost their jobs. Sarah got 4 Governors elected, all underdogs. All have turned out to be solid reformers. She also saved Rick Perry’s narrow ass.

      *********

      What are you smoking?

      The democrats have NEVER “used the federal government to actually enforce the founding ideals of our nation; life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” The democrats have usurped the Constitution, destroyed the very foundations of our society, and sent America on a collision course with disaster.

      There is literally nothing good a liberal democrat has ever done. They are the destroyer of worlds.

      I don’t know if you are ignorant or stupid, but it’s quite obvious that you have absolutely no idea what this nation is about, or what the Constitution is about.

      The democrats have done NOTHING to enhance anyone’s life. Anytime Government gets involved, it’s all downhill from there. That’s why our founders wrote the Constitution to RESTRAIN government, not enable it.

      Oh, and there are some Republicans at fault as well. They are enablers. This reach across the aisle bullshit is why America is on the verge of collapse. Counting unfunded mandates, we are over $100 TRILLION is debt. Obama has added $5 TRILLION just to the debt we talk about. That’s more money than all of the previous 43 presidents COMBINED. And Obama is just warming up.

      Study Cloward-Piven. What Obama is doing is following their plan to destroy America. Make it collapse. It’s textbook.

      Government can’t make you happy, healthy, wealthy, or wise. The ONLY thing government should do is get out of your way, and insure no one else infringes on your God given rights. Problem is, democrats are hard wired to be totalitarians. They want to run every facet of everyone’s lives. When you have the federal government telling you what kind of toilet you can have, and banning light bulbs, it’s time to start stringing people up.

      When you have a president, who is destroying the energy sector, while forcing us to get more and more energy from foreign sources, while killing millions of jobs at home, it’s time to throw his ass out.

      We have enough oil and natural gas to make America 100% energy independent for the next 300 years. That doesn’t count the coal, or the ability to go nuclear. There are 1.67 QUADRILLION cubic feet of natural gas in the Arctic alone. This, BTW, is why Sarah Palin worked so hard on AGIA, and got the gasline going, something other Alaskan politicians had failed to do in over 30 years.

      Liberals STEAL liberty and freedom. They are the enemy of Liberty and Freedom. They are the enemy of everything good and decent. Nothing good comes from Big Government.

  13. Andrew Han

    ———“Seriously, you have no idea what you are talking about. Yeah, the communists, socialists, and other assorted 60s radicals took over the democrat party. But that doesn’t mean the GOP became any more Conservative. ”

    This statement doesn’t make any sense. If the democratic party were “taken over” by communists in the 60’s (conveniently the same time in which they readily supported civil rights legislation), then by extension they could not have been “communists” before that time period. Meaning that they were either liberal or conservative.

    You then imply here that the GOP has always been conservative (if you are not, then my point is already proven), which means that the democratic party had to have been liberal. Yet I have already explained to you that there have been massive shifts in both demographic support and party platform within the democratic party that are clearly documented, and the fact that the two parties shifted is an accepted historical fact to both liberal and conservative historians; look at the massive migration of the openly conservative dixiecrats to the Republican party after the passage of the Civil Rights act, for example.

    And this even contradicts your previous statement; that former democrats such as Reagan left the party because it was “infiltrated” by communists (really, do you honestly believe in these ridiculous conspiracies?). Reagan was certainly a conservative; ergo, the democratic party prior to the shift had to have had a conservative faction, or otherwise the dixiecrats would always have stayed with the Republican party.

    I still have a snippet from a history book published by Princeton:

    “Dismayed with what they perceived to be the excesses of the civil rights movement, the counterculture movement, and feminism, some Americans were eager to bring the country back to traditional values based on religious principles…the conservative resurgence began in the 1970s.”

    But of course, you’ll amply dismiss this as having been written by yet another member of the Evil Communist Conspiracy.

    ———-“The democrats have NEVER “used the federal government to actually enforce the founding ideals of our nation; life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” The democrats have usurped the Constitution, destroyed the very foundations of our society, and sent America on a collision course with disaster. ”

    Just stating, over and over again, that liberal progressivism has never worked doesn’t make it true, Jackson. I’ve already explained to you that the Liberal Republican party [a third party split from the Republican party, made of former abolitionists] actively championed for racial equality and woman’s suffrage in the late 19th century. I’ve already explained to you that it took federal intervention during Reconstruction to protect freedmen rights, and that it took active government regulation laws to outlaw urban child labor.

    I’ve explained to you that it was liberal activism that eventually passed the Civil Rights act and the Voting Rights act, that both of these acts were so controversial, they broke the Democratic hold on the traditionally conservative Solid South.

    Facts are stubborn things, Jackson. Or, as Reagan horribly butchered Adam’s quote; “facts are stupid things”, and you appear to adhere to the misquote. A quick examination of shifts in voter demographics, party platforms and underlying ideology makes it clear that the two parties shifted, and this isn’t a secret of history, ask any historian, and he or she will give you the same answer.

    You look at the conservative stances on certain positions throughout all of human history, and they are effectively always wrong. The first “right wingers” were monarchists; pro-slavery advocates were fiercely conservative. Segregationists were openly conservative and performed marvelously well in the South and conservative states, and all of them also argued for traditional values, states’ rights and a host of conservative ideals.

    If you have solid evidence against this, or an authoritative source with a solid evidence against this, feel free to post it. But mindlessly claiming that liberal Republicans ended slavery, which is certainly among the most hilarious attempts at historical revisionism and blatant mistruth I have ever seen, doesn’t make it true. Saying over and over again that liberals have never accomplished anything, when in reality they have accomplished quite literally EVERYTHING in human society, without a shred of evidence to back it up isn’t going to get you anywhere.

    ———-“Obama has added $5 TRILLION just to the debt we talk about. ”

    Yeah, he spent much of it trying to fix our economy. Guess who transformed the largest federal surplus in history into a >1 trillion dollar debt in the first place?

    A compilation of just a few of the major victories scored by liberals and progressives.

    The Emancipation Proclamation [targeted at states in rebellion; the deep south, with the exception of Florida, was and is solidly conservative]
    13th Amendment [ratified by radical abolitionists, from the North, who would later form the 'liberal' Republican party]
    14th Amendment [ratified by radical republicans, who were and are literally referred to as radical republicans; initially opposed by self proclaimed conservative Republicans]
    15th Amendment [see above]
    17th Amendment [progressive reform, initially proposed by populists]
    19th Amendment [proposed and passed under Wilson]
    21th Amendment [passed by Roosevelt, appealed Prohibition]
    24th Amendment [civil rights liberal activism]
    Child Labor Act [progressive reform]
    Civil Rights Acts [liberal activism; spurred major protest from openly conservative politicians and voters]
    Voting Rights Act [liberal activism, see above]
    The acceptance of Evolution being taught in Science classes
    The legalization of contraceptives
    Brown v Board of Education (ruled by perhaps the most liberal supreme court in history)
    Outlawing the states from prohibiting homosexual behavior
    Repeal of ban of gays on the military with the compromise “don’t ask don’t tell”; subsequent repeal of don’t ask don’t tell and admission of gays into the military
    Universal Health Care :)
    Repeal of discriminatory and racial immigration quotas, the majority of which were passed in the conservative 20s, and repealed by FDR

    Yesterday, Barrack Obama is on record the first president to openly support gay marriage. It won’t be popular with many voters, but it’ll certainly immortalize him in our history textbooks. There is no doubt that the pro-gay marriage [liberal] coalition is on the right side of history, as I have explained to you separately. How hilarious will it be, when twenty years from now, you will be arguing that conservatives fiercely defended gay marriage. If we were to resurrect the Confederate leaders and tell them that they were liberal, they would have laughed in your face.

    • Gary P Jackson

      Let’s talk about the Civil Rights movement. Almost ALL of the democrats opposed it, including Al Gore’s daddy. Robert C Byrd, a full fledged member of the KKK, who had to be carried out of the Senate feet first in 2010, fought it tooth and nail.

      Had it not been for Conservative REPUBLICANS backing LBJ’s play, the Civil Right’s bill would have never passed.

      But let’s go back a president or two. It was Dwight Eisenhower, a REPUBLICAN, who sent in troops to Little Rock, Arkansas to make damned sure little black kids could go to school.

      It was DEMOCRAT Woodrow Wilson, the great evil liberal bastard who forced segregation in the military and did his damnedest to run every Negro out of government employment.

      You simply can’t face the fact that the democrat party is the party of Jim Crow, the KKK, the slaughter of babies, and general all purpose evil.

      *****

      Obama hasn’t fixed a damned thing. Much of the trillions he has pissed away has went to FOREIGN companies and his cronies. He should be brought up on criminal charges and should spend the rest of his life in prison. Period.

      *****

      Speaking of criminal charges. Obama and Eric Holder’s little Fast & Furious affair has left hundreds of Mexican citizens dead, as well as American law enforcement agents. They were murdered by the guns Obama and Holder sent to the drug cartels. Obama and Holder are as guilty of capital murder as the drug dealers who pulled the triggers, and BOTH should get the proper punishment for a capital offense.

      *****

      The Emancipation Proclamation came from America’s first REPUBLICAN president you dumbass. In fact, the REPUBLICAN Party was created for the express purposes of undoing all of the evil the democrats had already forced on the world. Sadly, they failed to stop the evil completely. It’s one of the reasons the GOP may go the way of the Whigs, and a new more Conservative party may replace it.

      As for the 17th Amendment, you can trace the rapid downfall of this country to that single act. There was a REASON our founding fathers wanted the state legislatures to chose the Senators. They wanted to make sure these Senators were first, and foremost, loyal to their states. It was a LIBERAL or as they called themselves back then, “progressive” who came up with that amendment. It was the start of the usurpation, not only of states rights, but the rights of the individual. It ushered in the era of Big Government and the destruction of Liberty and Freedom. Besides being a serious racist, Woodrow Wilson was just downright evil.

      *****

      All of your idiotic babbling aside, please tell me when, EXACTLY, contraceptives were ever illegal in America.

      Where do you come up with this bullshit?

      ******

      As for “universal health care” We don’t have it. The Supreme Court is about to strike it down. It’s unconstitutional. You can’t force an American to buy a product simply because they exist. Even the incompetent losers Obama appointed to the Court are likely to vote with the majority on this one.

      Past that, we can’t afford it. One of the reasons Mitt Romney has caught so much hell from Conservatives is because RomneyCare, the blueprint for ObamaCare, is an absolute failure. The costs have skyrocketed, and they are rationing health care. The death panels Sarah Palin talked about in ObamaCare, are working overtime in Massachusetts.

      Look around. Great Britain has “universal health care” and it’s an abject failure. They are looking for ways to end it and go back to a system that works. They have the worst health care on the planet.

      Look at how many Canadians come to America for treatment they can’t get in Canada.

      Thankfully, ObamaCare is done. The great communist power grab is DEAD.

      Ronald Reagan spoke out about the communist menace, and how the communists always start with health care. Here he is in 1961:

      *********

      You are an idiot. Obama is just pandering to the gays to get their vote. Nothing more. He’s desperate because he’s FINISHED. This was just a last ditch effort to get money and votes. It ain’t gonna work. Gays need jobs just as much as the rest of us, and they have lost jobs under Obama.

      Obama will go down in history all right. But not for backing gay marriage. Shit, Dick Cheney has backed gay marriage for years! Was for it when he was Vice President.

      Obama will go down in history as the worst president in history. As the president who almost destroyed America single handed. The president that finally woke America up to the evils of the democrat party and the democrat industrial media complex.

      You really are delusional. I once though you were misinformed, or just dumb, but it’s clear. Not only do you not know your facts, you live in an alternate reality from the rest of the world.

      I’m not sure I can help you. You may be too far gone.

  14. Andrew Han

    Jackson, I appreciate that you do attempt to back up your claims with evidence. I don’t appreciate that you obviously don’t read the posts I make in detail. Perhaps they are too long (although they are certainly shorter than yours); but I’ve explained to you the difference between Republicans/Democrats and conservatives/liberals in every post I’ve made in this entry; in fact, I even did it preemptively, in anticipation of the ridiculous “Lincoln was a Republican!” argument. Yet every time, you still insist on repeating the “republicans were always conservative!” lie, and ignoring all of the evidence I provided to you indicating the contrary.

    ———-Almost ALL of the democrats opposed it, including Al Gore’s daddy.

    Truman and, in his later years, JFK, were highly supportive of civil rights legislation. Southern dixiecrats were opposed to the movement, and in many cases actively voted conservative in opposition; this almost cost Truman the election. After 1964, many dixiecrats turned Republican. You do realize that conservative factions of democrats openly identified as conservative and pro-segregation, do you? That this isn’t some accusation that Obama is a closet communist; it’s merely pointing out what they themselves proudly admitted to?

    ———-Had it not been for Conservative REPUBLICANS backing LBJ’s play, the Civil Right’s bill would have never passed.

    That’s a useless tautology. Yeah, of course you need bipartison support, or a complete domination of the legislature, to pass a bill as far reaching as the Civil Rights act and hold onto it; but LBJ, the “evil son of a bitch”, was the one who actively campaigned for its adoption. That some conservatives *finally* adopted it merely means that they finally stopped resisting the bill; it doesn’t mean that any of them actively fought in its favor.

    ———-Obama hasn’t fixed a damned thing. Much of the trillions he has pissed away has went to FOREIGN companies and his cronies. He should be brought up on criminal charges and should spend the rest of his life in prison. Period.

    Like Nixon?

    ———-Speaking of criminal charges. Obama and Eric Holder’s little Fast & Furious affair has left hundreds of Mexican citizens dead, as well as American law enforcement agents. They were murdered by the guns Obama and Holder sent to the drug cartels. Obama and Holder are as guilty of capital murder as the drug dealers who pulled the triggers, and BOTH should get the proper punishment for a capital offense.

    Similar to Ronald Reagan, and his secret arms dealings with Iranian terrorists?

    ———-The Emancipation Proclamation came from America’s first REPUBLICAN president you dumbass.

    Boy, you never did bother to read anything that I’ve posted in the past half dozen exchanges, haven’t you? I’ve spent hundreds of words attempting to explain to you, using increasingly dumbed down language for your sake, that the Republican party of the late 19th century was very much liberal, and that, by your own contention, conservative democrats fled to the Republican party in the mid 20t century, and the parties swtiched.

    Lincoln advocated for a strong, centralized federal government, and was pro-labor. Does this sound conservative to you?

    ———-But let’s go back a president or two. It was Dwight Eisenhower, a REPUBLICAN, who sent in troops to Little Rock, Arkansas to make damned sure little black kids could go to school.

    Yes, Eisenhower, a very moderate Republican who extended various New Deal programs, and the incident you spoke of was an example of the use of FEDERAL POWER to override state and local authority. Ergo, his greatest contribution to civil rights involved the use of liberal policies.

    ———-It was DEMOCRAT Woodrow Wilson, the great evil liberal bastard who forced segregation in the military and did his damnedest to run every Negro out of government employment.

    Firstly, racist as he was, Wilson’s advocacy for woman’s suffrage, the passing of the 19th amendment, and his righting of past wrongs from US imperialism.

    Second, it was a democrat, Truman, who desegregated the military via executive order, set up various civil rights commissions and proposed a large plethora of civil rights legislation.

    ———-As for the 17th Amendment, you can trace the rapid downfall of this country to that single act. There was a REASON our founding fathers wanted the state legislatures to chose the Senators. They wanted to make sure these Senators were first, and foremost, loyal to their states.

    What the hell are you talking about? The 17th amendment calls for direct election of senators by registered voters WITHIN THE STATE, that would presumably be loyal…to their own freaking state. What is the issue here?

    ———-All of your idiotic babbling aside, please tell me when, EXACTLY, contraceptives were ever illegal in America.

    Wait, this isn’t common knowledge? Or did you simply never attend high school?

    “The use of contraceptives for birth control was still against the law in almost every state. Even so, the work of Margeret Sanger and other advocates of birth control achieved growing acceptance in the twenties” – AIMSO

    Sanger was a well known feminist.

    ———-Past that, we can’t afford it.

    I’ve just explained to you that Canada’s health care system is significantly cheaper than our own, and it covers more people.

    ———-You are an idiot. Obama is just pandering to the gays to get their vote.

    Bullshit. Sadly, there are far more fundamentalist phony wackjobs then there are gay advocates, and the former is certainly going to work in full drive to defeat the evil, gay, muslim, atheist, communistic facist (do you get the contradictions here?).

    ———-[REAGAN VIDEO]

    Wow. Do you not realize how many logical fallacies this actor purported in his speech? How much fear mongering this smacks of? He tells us all that “socialized medicine” is bad. He tells us that it is bad because it smacks of socialism. He never explains why this “socialistic” care is bad from a logical or ethical standpoint; he just assumes that we’ll agree with him. Then, he goes on to purport a slippery slope fallacy that socialized medicine will somehow result in the loss of freedom and democracy for Americans, and then throws in a bunch of completely irrelevant quotes from the founding fathers for good measure.

    • Gary P Jackson

      You should quit while you’re behind.

      While it’s mildly entertaining allowing you to display your stupidity for all to see, it’s boring, and tedious.

      The facts are not with you, not even a little bit. You really have drank the Koolaide.

      As they say, you can’t fix stupid.

      Now, let’s look at your latest jaboonery.

      First and foremost, NO the Dixiecrats DID NOT become Republicans. They DID try to run as a 3rd party and looked stupid doing it. Then they went back to being democrats.

      I don’t know where you got the idea that somehow democrats with a century and a half record of hard core racism became Republicans, and Republicans, whose party was created, in part, on the idea of ending slavery, somehow became democrats.

      I mean seriously, who told you this nonsense, or did you just pull it out of your ass?

      **************

      So you don’t care that Wilson was an evil bastard and a racist, because he blew with the wind, and bowed to popular demand? BTW, presidents don’t pass legislation, or have ANYTHING to do with constitutional amendments. Only Congress does.

      BTW, just as FDR threw American citizens [Japanese] in concentration camps during WWII, another evil thing FDR did, Wilson did the same Germans, who were American citizens, during WWI. Only democrats have violated so many human beings basic rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

      ***************

      Good for Truman, he was a relatively decent man. A rare breed of democrat. He wasn’t corrupt like Wilson or FDR. Don’t know how he slipped through the cracks.

      Still, it was Eisenhower who sent troops to Little Rock. The Governor and all elected officials there were DEMOCRATS.

      And again, if not for REPUBLICANS, LBJ’s push for Civil Rights legislation was dead. The democrats did EVERYTHING in their power to stop it from happening. Remember, there were still many known members of the KKK serving in Congress, as democrats.

      ***************

      The 17th Amendment screwed the entire country. Senators are no longer accountable to the people. They get six year terms and it’s damned near IMPOSSIBLE to get rid of one once they get in office. It took Sarah Palin to get rid of Dick Lugar.

      BTW, Lugar the INDIANA Senator, moved to Virginia 25 years ago and never looked back. He got a friendly judge to help him stay in office even though he didn’t actually live Indiana. He really served his constituents, huh.

      When the state legislatures selected Senators you didn’t have this kind of bullshit. If a Senator got out of line, he was done. The era of big, bloated, out of control government started with the 17th Amendment.

      *********************

      I see you can’t answer a single question. Contraceptives have NEVER been illegal in America you idiotic liberal twit.

      As for Margret Sanger, she was an evil, murdering bitch. Sanger schemed with the KKK to bring in old Negro preachers to convince them they were better off killing black babies than raising them.

      Sanger was as evil as they come. She advocated slaughtering black babies on an industrial scale. She called Negroes “human weeds” and thought they should be wiped out. Where do you think Hitler got the ideas of racial purity and killing off the Jews? He read books by Sanger and other American “progressives.”

      You might say Sanger is just as responsible for the 6 million Jews killed as Hitler himself.

      Hell isn’t hot enough for that evil bitch and all of those who follow her.

      There is nothing more evil than the wholesale slaughter of innocent children.

      ************

      Obama is a friggin’ coward. He only panders to the gays NOW, because he thinks it will bail his ass out. It won’t. Shit man, Dick Cheney was advocating gay marriage a decade ago! No “domestic partnerships” but full blown gay marriage, on a federal scale.

      BTW, Obama’s position of gay marriage is no different than Sarah Palin’s, OR MINE. It’s a state’s rights issue. It’s up to each individual state. Not the federal government. Again, this is Obama’s position. It’s not brave at all. Cheney was brave.

      Hell, even Mitt Romney is more aggressive. I hammered his ass because what he did was illegal, but it was Romney who facilitated gay marriage in Massachusetts. Through the courts. If the people VOTE for it, that’s one thing, but that didn’t happen.

      Obama is a useless poseur.

      Oh, and when I say it’s up to the states, I mean up to the voters, not the courts. Most Americans DO NOT want gay marriage. Even as screwy as California is, they voted it down by a huge majority. Oh, and you can thank black and Hispanic voters for that. Blacks HATE gays. Hispanics are mostly Catholic.

      Oh, and you don’t know shit about Conservatives. Most of us really don’t care much one way or the other, but the ones that do, generally understand that marriage is a RELIGIOUS ceremony. Asking the church to accept something God says is a sin, well, that just ain’t gonna happen.

      That said, I don’t know a single Conservative who objects to some sort of civil union. If two people want to put together a civil contract, and live together, why should I care?

      ************

      Oh, as for Reagan, he was using the communists OWN WORDS against them. They have sought to use health car as the camel’s nose under the tent forever.

      As for Canada, their health care sucks. In America, if you have a major problem, you are seeing a doctor right now. Need an MRI or a CT scan in Canada? See you in 6 months, if you haven’t already died.

      Oh, and don’t be a pregnant woman and have a complicated pregnancy. Chances are neither you OR the baby are going to make it. There is a hell of a business on this side of the border taking care of patients Canada can’t.

      The government has no business getting involved in health care. It simply cannot do things well.

      Oh, and it isn’t cheaper in Canada. They tax the shit out of their people. Confiscatory taxes.

      Funny thing, instead of doing what Romney and Obama did, here in Texas we reformed our health care system. The FREE MARKET works.

      Texas is a hospital state, and I live in a big hospital town.

      I had a major heart attack a few months back. I was at the hospital within minutes of the attack. Had a team of doctors, and after a round of tests, was rushed into surgery. Walked out a new man. Better than new.

      How did Texas do it? Lawsuit reform. We told the trial lawyers to take a hike! Not only did costs go down, and quality go up, we’ve had nearly 10,000 doctors more from other states to practice here.

      The fixes are actually simple.

      Democrats don’t want simple though. 3000 page health care bill that not a single son of a bitch read before voting to pass it, illegally, in the dead of night.

      For instance, why are office supplies taxed in a health care bill?

      BTW, if that friggin’ thing is so good, why is it thousands of Obama’s cronies have been given waivers? How come the union thugs all get waivers?

      ObamaCare was a huge power grab that is about to be thrown out as unconstitutional. Another failure by the worst president in history.

      Now be gone with you. I’m tired of your boring ass.

  15. Peter

    Ronald Reagan was almost impeached, and SHOULD HAVE BEEN impeached for lying on funding terrorist groups in Nicaragua and sidestepping Congress in the process. He blew up the deficit, his economic policy ran the biggest deficits in US History (til that point), and he was the 1st President to make it OK to operate under deficit.

    Reagan was a decent president, but nothing more. He’s barely a top 15 President, and MOST DEFINITELY NOT a top 10 President.

    During the 20th Century, Teddy, Wilson, FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, LBJ, and maaaaaybe Clinton were all better than him. Clinton is debatable only because he lied about getting a blowjob, which pales in comparison to lying about funding terrorists and economic policies which created the biggest deficits in history.

    • Gary P Jackson

      Unlike Bill Clinton who WAS impeached, and Barack Obama who MUST BE impeached, Ronald Reagan was our best president in history. FDR was a goddamned communist. Called that murdering pig Stalin “Uncle Joe.” LBJ was another socialist whose “Great Society” is in the process of destroying America as we speak.

      The Iran-Contra deal was all Ollie North. That said Reagan took FULL RESPONSIBILITY for the mess, and apologized to the nation, something neither Clinton nor that communist devil in the White House now never have and never will.

      As for deficits, yeah, Reagan ran a deficit, he had to fix everything Carter screwed up. Carter GUTTED the military in the middle of the cold war for God’s sake! However, Reagan created the largest and longest economic expansion in history.

      As for deficits, Barack Obama has spent more in less than four years and created more debt than ALL 43 previous presidents COMBINED. That’s right, Obama has created more debt that all of em, from George Washington to George W Bush COMBINED.

      BTW, in every poll taken for the last 30 years Ronald Reagan is always chosen by the American people as either America’s best president in history, or number two. This year he came in number two to Lincoln. Most years he’s been chosen number one though.

      Your history is clouded by both a diseased ideology and ignorance. You should stop being a liberal and get some education.

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